The WA 38 (or Cosmic Crisp™) trial compares vertical spindle, bi-axis and V-trellis training systems and both the M9-Nic29 and Geneva 41 rootstocks. Trial results are discussed by trial participants. Topics discussed include pruning and training (dormant and summer, by hand or machine), bending versus click pruning, blind wood, vigor management, fire blight, pollinizers and crop load management.